Actually i feel much happy when you guys put a comment into some of mine maps, insteed of seeing my map played somewhere in a showmatch or something... But i have to bag for a comment in my last maps. So it doesn't matter for me, in the past days what happen, and will happen. I just use the site to upload my maps, and put some comments in maps with good concept. Ofcourse i will help with whatever i can, but it's no longer fun for me here...
"But i have to bag for a comment in my last maps."Thats the same for me.Sometimes I write 4comments in a row to push the map,so I get 1 comment or I have to write in MotW threads to get a comment.
Nice, blame me for commenting your map after "please comment my map whine whine" in icq :P also i just don't have time to look thorugh all maps in some seconds and comment everything. o much to do, i'm just back for hours.
that's what i mean. Just bullshit whining instead of really THINKING before posting. Just learn to behave, even if it is the internet...
Don't comment your own maps to bump it up. If you really need somebody's input, message them on MSN, ICQ or something. Besides, comments aren't just for keeping them on the front page, it's for improvements on your maps. If someone doesn't comment, it's because they don't have much to say about it.
@ScoutWBF, i have read your comments in your maps. People are saying thins, and insteed of fixing them, you continue to write "COME ON, WRITE A COMMENT!". I think that here you will get a comment how to fix things, in PGTour or such places, you will get comments like "Nice", "Bad map", etc... So in your last map (4)Industrial Disease, i think it's clearly that you have to work on the semetry. It's ugly and everybody can see this and at least 3 mappers tell you to fix the simetry. What comments do you want?
In my case, i have two things in mind. First that my map don't have any more mistakes to comment to fix. Or second my map sux, and people just don't want to write it in my face. It's just anoyng me that i don't miss a single map, from a better map maker, and i don't write useless comments. And in return i got a comment from flothefreak and some times from SpitFire. In last weeks i notice that people upload their maps, and put comments only in their maps. The system doesn't work like that before. Before everyone were helpfull. Sure everyone will say "Hey i go life!". Yeah, me too. I got to work from 9 CET to 18:00 CET everyday, my traveling time is over 1 hour, i have a girlfriend wich i must see it at least, because i really love her, and i can't miss her even a single day. I also organize parties, and i have to read some other forums only about music and parties. Etc, etc, etc... And then i am wondering "Hey, am i one of the biggest idiots, who try to do some work in the Map Devolepers Forum, wich we all want, but put 1 comment in a week, and not only comment other maps, but PLAYING THEM in 1v1, 2v2 mode, and not only one game! I mean a lot, but try to put the best replays i got! Am i one of the biggest idiots who try to promote the MotW maps, by making tourneys with prize and etc...
Do i want something from you guys? I just want to know if there is something to fix. In my first posts in the maps i write what do i want to discuss or if i need a solution i write about the solution. I don't ask you for comments if you like the map or not.
And yeah. I whine about comments, when it comes about comments. I have stopped asking or bagging for one. I can't force you to post something, but if you get my help i expect to get your help also... Thats why we are all here, right?
P.S. Take for example the MotW section. I can hardly see a comments from the "old dogs" about wich should be a MotW. Espacially StarParty. He is here, he even have a map in the MotW, every week. But i can't see something like "Top 3" or whatever. Just to know whick map is he thinking that should be a MotW. And them the map is picked by 3 posts with no discuss, about the map, except "Looks good". The answer from all this you can see in gg.net the comments from old town. People play the map and speak BS or mayby their real experience from the map? Think about that the MotW's are for them...
It's hard to stay objective when your own map is in the motw.. I hate to push my maps so i prefer shut my mouth =P Making a top 3 when your map is in does not make sense to me :S Right now, I don't have any other new maps coming for the next week so i might comment more.. I will try my best ;0
We all have maps in MotW, we all have this feel, that you talkabout, but if i don't like any other map i push my own. I mean i even won't push mine map if i don't like it. I am judging my maps as not mine.
You're right in some points LGI. Especially the "old dogs" are a bit outburned.
I take myself as an example. I was here 24/7 for a long time, pressing F5 like an idiot just to keep everyone improving and discussing. Now i just can't afford to spent that much time here. I'm the graphics guy over at dawnofwar.de also, trying to learn how to create homepages and designs myself, learning to programm, working and the usual stuff everyone is doing. But in some cases, i'm to busy to comment every single map and so i left it out, even if i see big issues, just to much to write.
Also the overall quality has risen a lot, as well as the usercount and the bullshit comments. Try to be fair, HELP instead of insulting, even if you are insulted by a nobrainer. For me, the most comments given are BS comments in the past weeks. Or at least it feels like that somehow.
If a map sucks - tell why, explain and give advises what to do better. Thats what we all should do. Anyway, got lost in the topic somehow.. ^^
It's just not fun to comment on newbie maps from people who just don`t know what SC is all about. people who never played more than single player and some hunters 3on3 want to make good 1on1 maps...that does not work unless you really study the game :(
im arrogant, i know - but we who made this community into what it is, we did it with the purpose of pushing superior usermaps into leagues and such. Not educating newbies. There are guides and helpers on this site and many others but it is quite obvious that they aren't used to the extent they should be.
The worst thing is when one of these newbies will try arguing with me about what is right or wrong. Lets compare experience and accomplishments. Then we can see what credability the arguments have.
Me and trcc is creating a counterstrike map called de_school. its quite satisfying to forge something in 3d. THis is still my startpage and i check it many times a day, but i seldom bother with maps that arent unique or just not clearly above average. its just not worth it.
I think I feel I bit like SP. Starcraft mapping can`t really be a hobby for life. It`s just a bit limited:O I actually don`t see a problem if starparty, trcc, travin, listoric etc pass the torch, but right now the next generation would just let it drop to the floor:O But they will improve for sure:)
You guys have really helped me out with making 1v1 maps that are actually playable. But I understand what you're saying. You can't tutor and help out every newbie out there.
In regards to the MotW competitions... I don't know if it should be an actual competition. I think it should just be maps that you guys notice hanging around. It's very challenging to try to judge something when you have a definite bias towards it.
Has it always been done with an actual competition, or was it first done just with you guys discussing maps you noticed?
Well it started when starparty and trcc were the only world-class mappers here. So it was all about chosing one of their maps :O
Actually people just trying to push their map because it is their map were ignorated from day one :O It was all about the maps, and a bit about showing love to active and motivated mappers who deservere it.
Alright. That's why I think people besides LGI, Lis, trcc, SP and panschk shouldn't be able to suggest maps. Just let those 5 decide between them from what they have seen, like it was done before.
yeah, I don't really like to make maps that often because I know they will only get played (by myself) a few times and that's it. my goal as a map maker was reached when I got one into blizzcon so I don't really see any need to make more maps. we just have so god damn many of them, and really, the question isn't just if they're playable but rather if you want to play them, which the answer to is pretty much always "no". blahblahblah