|I posted the newest replays on this map just now. 1 of K_A losing and 1 of K_A winning(how did that happen jk,jk). |
Anyways, so far the 3 of us that have made the map(K_A) and tested it and given a lot of suggestions (Sailboat125, K_A, and I) are pretty happy with how it turned out.
Before someone asks why (as I know someone will) The reason there are so many stacked minerals blocking the straight path between bases is to stop rushes that used to make it so all the fighting happened in the main and no one really got an expansion, nor did they need to expand to win.
K_A PvZ next time we are both on so I can test the effectiveness of the Forge-FE on this map which is the only thing I think we forgot to test.
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|my advice make a new map don't get suggestions :D|
|Why should we do that LasTCursE?|
|Too tight, NOTHING can beat a terran on this map.|
You are better off making a new map like LasTCursE said.
|Kinos I think you are just theoryocrafting. You probably haven't even played the map once yet. I've seen terrans lose countless times. Usually the protoss/zerg would only lose because they made some big mistake vs terran.|
I don't understand why you guys are saying that this map sucks just after looking at it.
|Yeah I beat Terran Using Zerg on this Map.|
I think it's pretty balanced as far as race goes.
|Did u post the ZvT where I played for funs and totally screwed up just now?|
|I'd bet that if you guys played Zerg vs a D+ Terran he would destroy you and you wouldn't be able to do anything except 4-5 pool or 2 hatch muta. Any ground based strategies will get raped.|
Only Zerg ground unit i can think of that might be useful is Lurkers on the middle ramps, but PvT is impossible here unless they got for carriers aswell.
|Yeah I think so :D|
|Also, i cannot download your replay to check if you guys even play on a level where map balance matters. Wanna rehost the replay for me? :P|
|Yeah I noticed the overpowering terran and I'm trying to find a way to fix it.|
TvZ is really fun tho.
|starts off Z>T then goes to T>Z. Will it ever end -.-|
|The current map structure makes any mid-late game ZvT or PvT impossible, you gotta scrap the whole concept in order to make it playable. Right now its too tight and i can't think of a good way to make it work out.|
|I just added a ramp from the middle area to the Back door.|
Not sure but I'm hoping that makes it a little more fair vs terran.
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|Path issue, and also gas issue is really big here too because the position imbalance of the gases are multiplied by 2 because you have 2 vespene geysers in the main in different positions relative to the start location.|
I think the gameplay should be interesting, although mostly because players wouldn't know what to do to get to the other side other than air units and dropships, which this map encourages for gameplay, but not so from an economic viewpoint.
The terran can lift a cc to the top island and defend it pretty well with siege tanks, i think
Army movement midgame and lategame will be a huge pain if the player chooses a ground strategy.
I agree with Kinosjourney when he suggests scrapping the map, mostly because of the reason of lategame restrictions, such as not a lot of expoes, too tight passages, close bases, imbalances will become even more pronounced as the game progresses.
|Thx for your comments guys; I will be working on making the paths more open.|
What would you think if I Moved the Natural closer and made the path go through that instead?
|is the natural the high ground expo?|
|Is this fucking joke ;d lol|
|No need to send long comments just wanna say .. this sucks ..|
|The natural is the high ground expansion.|
And x-species you are totally entitled to your oppinion, just try not to make comments on a map you haven't played.
|x-species, just because you CAN say whatever you wanna say, doesn't mean you should. Be more constructive in your criticisms, or enjoy the same treatment towards your maps from others.|
|Changed the entrance to the main;|
I'll keep posting replays as I go.
|Got rid of the useless mineral only expos in the corners.|
Made the natural expos safe from siege tanks.
Lots of terrain blending.
Few other things.
|ok ok sorry you are the best K_A |
|It's hard to tell if that's sarcasm or not ;)|
|Not. Cause ur awesome as hell K_A. So awesome u can get owned by me ^^|
|Unfortunately, there is still path issue, i think.|
|It's that darn back door.|
Once units get to the trees they have no problems at all.
|Yeah but because of that its more fun for me because I know about the pathing problem but someone else may not know. You just can't rally to your opponent's base. Other than that there is very little problems for anyone not as lazy as myself.|
Hi, 2 hatch muta. Here's my 1 base 3 fac build that you can't stop no matter what. GG
|Yeah those tanks and goliaths will really own my guardians.|
|For once I would like to see someone think outside the box while playing a game. If you want to all play the exact same strategy every time that's fine by me but don't complain that it doesn't work on every map that exists. |
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|I agree with K_A on that point. Although I'm not sure why he didn't just edit that into his other comment instead of double posting. :/|
|Why this map is bad? Well, here we go:|
Whole map is too small. There is no real space to build your main and chokes are too small. Concept doesn't make any sense. So you have this fastway with mineral blocks. Not only this is making path issue, it's not making any sense. Ofcourse players are going to mine them so they can control the high ground and destroy the main from there.
Then there is that very long way to another main which is just bad. Too tight everyplace. You can't move any big forces. Every good map has place where you can move your big army. Clock 6 is just wasted space and has nothing to do in gameplay.
Natural is actually ok but it's too vulnerable to drops or muta/wraith harras. Mains having 2 gasses is pretty random. I can't really find reason for this but this surely help for Zerg.
I see Protoss go Reaver/Corsair vs. Zerg every game and Terran to go Tanks/Marine or Wraiths vs. Zerg. Protoss vs. Terran is just so imba so we can skip that. Terran comes with Tanks and Protoss ragequits.
Overall, not playable map. Make bigger map and look the promaps.
|As has been said before, you should scrap this map.|
There is a way to make this sort of concept work, although on a bigger map. I'm not looking into this map and telling you how, cuz I don't know that, but I do know that there are many possibilities in starcraft broodwar map making and that there are no bounds with what you can do with great map editors such as SCMdraft2.0
|Guys check out (4) Backburner which is the new map K_A decided to make after the responses in this thread. Although I highly question some things hes done, its not horribad like this map has been proven to be.|
|This is really really bad ...|
I dont like this 1 (looks unplayable)