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greatn00b	Well you dont have to make new maps for this event. Just choose one of your maps.
2011, 11, 12 09:36
greatn00b	Well... if there is only the 3 of us(4 with Fry), that means we could choose 4 maps. First we should check the selected maps wether they have any issues which could be taken care of. By the way the new proleague maps are being published soon. I wonder how that will effect this tour. Would players rather play with the new promaps or ours? I suppose they'd go for the promaps. Although maybe we can put some of them into the map pool since there is only the 4 of us?
2011, 11, 12 10:12
K_A	I already told you, but just so it's here I would like my map Phogna Bologna to be in the event. Phogna Bologna modified by K_A
2011, 11, 12 20:15
ArcTimes	I WANT TO PLAY THIS!
2011, 11, 14 04:48
greatn00b	About the tour Time: Last night i consulted with Messer, and he said if we want to make this tour on a Saturday we should do it in November. So i’d say November 26 would be a possible date for the tour. As for the starting hour, it could be at 14:00 CET if it doesn’t interfere with any other notable bw events. Arctimes told me this would be 8:00 for him, which means it’s a bit early for the Americans, so we might want to start it somewhat later. I’d say the tour shouldn’t be too long, and by that i mean it shouldn’t really last longer than 4-5 hours. Format: Last night i said that the defiler.ru format could be nice, but today i had other ideas. There are some things we should consider. First, the tour shouldn’t take too long, which means the winner shouldn’t play more than 8-9 matches. This would also mean that there should be a cap for player count, which shouldn’t be more than 32. Second, i suppose we want the games to be equally distributed between our maps. For Example every mapmaker would get 4 games on his map. The question is how can we make this and/or is this really necessary? I came up with a solution. A BO1 single elimination tour that has the following feature: the rounds don’t have a single map as the set map, instead they have a different type of maps for a round, which means for example at the round of 8 there are 4 matches and all the 4 matches would be played on a different map. Of course the question is how are we going to distribute the 4 maps equally in the finals and semi-finals? My idea is as follows: in the round of 8 only to maps would be played, in the semi-finals only 1 type and in the finals there would be a BO3 (after all it’s the finals) which would be played only on 1 type of map as well. Although there is no guarantee that the distribution as going to work out equally because walk-overs can still occur, but i suppose they are less likely if the tour doesn’t take long. Just when i was taking a break while writing this post, Fry showed up on iccup, so i chatted with him a bit and asked his opinion about this format. He drew a picture of a different distribution: A A C A A C D - - - - D B C D B B C B I’m not totally sure if this is much better, but it’s an option. I did not read all the messages that were posted in this thread. If i missed out some notable format ideas or if anyone else has got some, you are welcome to tell me. The maps: Phogna Bologna by K_A Losing Temperature by Arctimes Lavalamp by greatnoob Barzak by Fry (he isn’t sure yet) The maps should be polished before the tour. And by that i mean, we should check them for the usual issues, and modify them accordingly if necessary. Imo we should polish each others maps, because this way we could find bugs that the original maker tends to slip through. We should also let the mapmakers have some room for their own style, which means before we fix a so called issue we should first ask the authors for permission. Organisation: I would volunteer for being a coordinator during the tour, which means i would stay in the channel and answer peoples questions, for example who is their next opponent and what map should they play. There are a few questions concerning the organisation that i wouldn’t like to write here. I’d say it would be the best if we would discuss it on a closed forum or chat. modified by greatn00b modified by greatn00b
2011, 11, 14 20:10
ArcTimes	When is this going to be played O_O?!
2011, 11, 16 03:04
greatn00b	I was planning to post here what Fry would put on the iccup and tl forums, but there are a few things that made me a bit uncertain. 1. The date. I red rumors spreading that SPL is going to launch at November 26... which means that day people would rather care about that instead of our tour i suppose. 2. Fry's map. Should it really be Barzak? Maybe Crowna would be better choice? 3. The format. Fry told me that the new format i wrote might be a bit too complicated for some players. So i shall reconsider it. 4. The maps would still need some inspection. I was planning to make a test tour this weekend. And i'd say we should give it a go. Would Saturday 14:00 CET be good for you people?
2011, 11, 16 21:55
K_A	14:00 for EST is 8:00 for EST...I might be available...
2011, 11, 16 22:28
ArcTimes	I think i acn do it.
2011, 11, 17 04:59
greatn00b	When does iccup cl begin on Saturdays? 17:00? 3 hours is not going to be enough for the whole tour i suppose. I'm kind of uncertain now. I'm not sure when we should do this.
2011, 11, 17 20:36
ArcTimes	The Iccup CL is not starting this saturday.
2011, 11, 17 23:11
greatn00b	Well yeah this Saturday is kind of ok, but its too early, so its only fine for a test tour. November 26 is countered by Sayle, who is gonna stream the first proleague matches this season. Which means the main tour is going to be postponed.
2011, 11, 18 03:35
K_A	ok so time/server/channel?
2011, 11, 18 04:33
ArcTimes	I think that we have to make it november 3th 14 CET. We can make a test tour this saturday, but with who? xd And... What system are we going to use? Defiler.ru system? iccup system? And if is iccupm, can we use his tour creator?
2011, 11, 18 04:43
greatn00b	This is part of the message i originally wanted Fry to post (but with some uncertain and yet discussed matters, I decided not to) on tl and iccup forums: Format: There would be a qualifying round that would lead to the round of 16, which would be the start of a BO1 single elimination all the way to the finals, which is going to be a BO3. This is how The qualifying rounds would proceed: Anyone may participate, there is actually no limit for maximum player number. The player are going to be ranked according to the iccup rank of their accounts. Then we are going to cut this list into half and form a circle whit both parts. The two circles are going to be attached to each other so that the highest ranked player is going to meet the lowest, 2nd highest going to meet the 2nd lowest, etc. And after these pairs have played their games on the first set map, we are going to rotate one of the circles to shift the pairs. Which means on the second set map the highest rank is going to play with the 2nd lowest and the 2nd highest with the 3rd lowest, etc. Since there are 4 maps there shall be 3 rotations such way. The players who get the lowest win ratios are going to be eliminated and the others are going to go into the round of 16. If there are players with same score, then the account with the higher iccup rank will make it into the top 16. If their iccup rank is tied as well they shall play a match on one of the maps chosen by the tour organisers. I know this system only works if there are even number of players, so if there would be uneven number of participants, then there is going to be a lucky 16th, who is going to qualify as the 16th player without playing any games. This how the single elimination would proceed: The maps: Round of 16 (BO1): lavalamp and Barzak (4-4 games) Ro 8 (BO1): Loosing temp Semfinals (BO1) and finals (BO3): Phogna Bologna (there might be changes in the map order) At the beginning of the ro 16, the 8 best scoring palyers (decided by the qualifying round scores and if necessary by iccup rank) have an option to choose between opponent and map. Which means they either choose which map they would rather play in the ro16 (lavalamp or barzak) or take a bracket that is far away from the other high scoring players. For example: Top 4 player choose opponent, and the player from 5-6 choose barzak and the players from 7-8 choose lavalamp. This would result the following ro16 setup: L: lavalamp B: barzak Numbers from 1-16: the players according to their scores B 2-15 B 5-11 B 6-10 B 3-14 L 4-13 L 8-9 L 7-12 L 1-16 If this map or opponent choice seems strange, you could choose this way: if there is 1 map of the 2 that you want to avoid, then choose the more likeable map, if not there is no such map than choose opponent. Of course this system optimizes for 20 or more players. If there is going to be less, then the single elimination is going to start from round of 8. Organisation: I would volunteer for being a coordinator during the tour, which means i would stay in the channel and answer peoples questions, for example who is their next opponent and what map should they play. Fry gave me some ideas: We should make a map pack for the tour, which the players would have to download before the event. Players should be informed that if they start downloading their opponents map, they should leave the game immediately, cause that means they don’t have it and is possible a modified version which is not allowed to be used, and should report the person to the tour organisers/coordinators, who shall inspect the case, and by that I mean they should supervise the hosting of those matches. I wonder whether this would make the players feel uncomfortable though. This would also mean that there should be a couple of organisers/coordinators, who are responsible for taking care of rule violations and watching out for players questions. Also they shouldn’t have latency problems, if possible. Test tour: On November 19 (14:00 CET) we would like to make a test tour (no money rewards) just to see how this would work out. Anyone is welcome to join and help us, and the participants of the test tour are going to be rewarded with tester medals, which provide +2000 points to their iccup rank when determining who gets into the round of 16 from the qualifying round.
2011, 11, 18 05:23
greatn00b	Well this is what i wrote for the iccup and tl post. I suppose you should inspect it first, and if you approve, somebody could post it. INTRODUCTION: Some mappers from BWMN have been planning to make a tournament on ICCUP since early autumn that would feature their maps, but for some reason the site was getting more and more inactive. At the end of October I came up with the idea to sponsor and organise a BWMN TOURNAMENT (WITH 25$ PRIZE FOR THE WINNER), which could provide some testing and accomplishment for the mappers and their maps, and possibly some entertainment and fun for others. Not too many mappers did respond to my posts, only 3 people. I was a bit surprised, but I decided that 4 MAPS could be enough for a tournament: Phogna Bologna by K_A Losing Temperature by ArcTimes Neo Barzak by Fry Lavalamp by greatnoob They are available at their current state at http://www.panschk.de/mappage/maplist.php?limit=30 (NOTE: some maps are still going through adjustments) In all together to me it seems the maps are fairly basic, having unique and classic motives alike, not being too out-there and favouring protoss a bit, but Id say we shouldnt underestimate the might of the zerg and the terran. Sadly the date of the tournament is yet undefined. Since there are so many events going on during the weekends, we are having difficulties finding a proper time interval. Any suggestions are welcome considering the event time. FORMAT: There would be a qualifying round that would lead to the round of 16, which would be the start of a BO1 single elimination all the way to the finals, which is going to be a BO3. This is how the QUALIFYING ROUNDS would proceed: We would meet at OP BWMN, where the competitors would check in by whispering "check" to me -> my account is ([greatnoob]). Anyone may participate, there is actually no limit for maximum player number. THE PLAYERS ARE GOING TO BE RANKED ACCORDING TO THE ICCUP RANK OF THEIR ACCOUNTS. Then we are going to cut this list into half and form a circle with both parts. The two circles are going to be attached to each other so that THE HIGHEST RANKED PLAYER IS GOING TO MEET THE LOWEST, 2ND HIGHEST GOING TO MEET THE 2ND LOWEST, ETC. And after these pairs have played their games on the first set map, we are going to rotate one of the circles to shift the pairs. Which means on the second set map the highest rank is going to play with the 2nd lowest and the 2nd highest with the 3rd lowest, etc. SINCE THERE ARE 4 MAPS THERE SHALL BE 3 ROTATIONS SUCH WAY. The players who get the lowest win ratios are going to be eliminated and the others are going to go into the round of 16. If there are players with same score, then the account with the higher ICCUP rank will make it into the top 16. If their ICCUP rank is tied as well they shall play a match on one of the maps chosen by the tournament organisers. I know this system only works if there is an even number of players, so if there would be an uneven number of participants, then there is going to be a lucky 16th, who is going to qualify as the 16th player without playing any games. This how the SINGLE ELIMINATION would proceed: The maps: Round of 16 (BO1): Lavalamp and Neo Barzak (4-4 games) Ro 8 (BO1): Loosing temp Semfinals (BO1) and finals (BO3): Phogna Bologna (NOTE: there might be changes in the map order) At the beginning of the round of 16, the 8 best scoring players (decided by the qualifying round scores and if necessary by ICCUP rank) have an option to choose between -opponent- and -map-. Which means they either choose which map they would rather play in the ro16 (Lavalamp or Neo Barzak) or take a bracket that is far away from the other high scoring players. For example: top 4 players choose -opponent-, and the player from 5-6 choose Neo Barzak and the players from 7-8 choose Lavalamp. This would result the following ro16 setup: L: Lavalamp B: Neo Barzak Numbers from 1-16: the players according to their scores B 2-15 B 5-11 B 6-10 B 3-14 L 4-13 L 8-9 L 7-12 L 1-16 If this -map or opponent- choice seems strange, you could think of it this way: if you want to avoid one (only one) of the maps, then choose the other map, if there is no such map, then choose -opponent-. Of course this system optimizes for 20 or more players. If there is going to be less, then the single elimination is going to start from round of 8. THE BRACKETS AND PAIRINGS WILL BE SHOWN ON MY WEBSITE JKTFFAKUPA.ATW.HU. ORGANISATION: I would volunteer for being a coordinator during the tournament, which means I would upload the brackets and pairings onto my website, and I would stay in the channel and answer peoples questions, for example who their next opponent is and what map they should play. Fry gave me some ideas: We should make a map pack for the tournament, which the players would have to download before the event. PLAYERS SHOULD BE INFORMED THAT IF THEY START DOWNLOADING THEIR OPPONENTS MAP, THEY SHOULD LEAVE THE GAME IMMEDIATELY, cause that means they dont have it and its possibly a modified version which is not allowed to be used, AND SHOULD REPORT THE PERSON TO THE TOURNAMENT ORGANISERS/COORDINATORS, who shall inspect the case, and by that I mean they should supervise the hosting of those matches. I wonder whether this would make the players feel uncomfortable though. This would also mean that there should be a couple of organisers/coordinators, who are responsible for taking care of rule violations and looking out for players questions. Also they shouldnt have latency problems, if possible. RULES: -USUAL ICCUP RULES -WINNERS HAVE TO SEND THEIR REPLAYS TO ARBITERJK@FREEMAIL.HU -Only admins and organisers/coordinators are allowed to be observers in the games. -If two players are race picking they should agree with each other about the races, and call an organiser/coordinator if necessary. -If a player disconnects in the first three minutes, then a regame will be granted. If the same player disconnects again during the given match, he or she will be disqualified. Any disconnectings after three minutes will be reviewed by the organisers/coordinators (make sure you save the replay), unless one of the players willingly forfeits. PRIZES: 25$ FOR THE WINNER (6000Ft if he or she would be a hungarian). TEST TOURNAMENT: On NOVEMBER 19 (14:00 CET) we would like to make a test tournament (no money rewards) just to see how this would work out. Anyone is welcome to join and help us, and the participants of the test tournament are going to be rewarded with TESTER MEDALS, which provide +2000 points to their ICCUP rank when determining who gets into the round of 16 from the qualifying round. modified by greatn00b modified by greatn00b
2011, 11, 18 07:23
greatn00b	modified by greatn00b
2011, 11, 18 07:35
greatn00b	Well i posted it on iccup now.
2011, 11, 18 14:18
ArcTimes	I upload the map images, but i think the title doesn't atracks to anybiody. You should pu 25$ or ask iccup.ggfun to write news about it. I'm going to ask him to make it more popular
2011, 11, 19 20:13
greatn00b	Thanks for the tips and actions Arc. Yeah perhaps its a good idea. Im not sure how can i put it in the title now. Create new topic for the tour?
2011, 11, 19 22:52
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