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Last update for (2)Arch-Demon : 2007, 06, 28 12:23
mapIDMapname (comments)map sizeAuthorRatingTypeplay type
2310 (2)Arch-Demon 128*128Deathman1010.1beta

The map has been rated 43 times and got a total of 5 points
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Deathman101
NOTES:

-Overview

I spent quite a lot of thought on this one and spent about 2.75 hours on it. There is a lack of walkables because...twilight doesnt have any

-Balancing

Just so everyone knows I know that the choked expo can be tanked/dropped but that is the point...its a one way tankable meaning the one controlling the lower expo cannot tank the higher one (I did test this)

-Unfinished

Nothing

-Decoration

Nothing special about decoration, other than for people that dont know CREVICES IS UNBUILDABLE, I hope everyone knew that already though.

-Need Help

As always this is beta any suggestions would help...
modified by Deathman101
Deathman101
BTW: Sorry about flooding the db lately.
ptar
The choke in reds main is fucked up. You should open it up a lil bit. Make the min only expos and island expo with gas and put a blocking mineral stone there. Also you have a lot of space, that isn't used.
modified by ptar
Deathman101
lol...its my second time trying out the non-symetrical ramping outta the choke (the only reason im doing this is because I hate those non-symetrical ones.

Believe it or not my original plan was to have an island gas expo there...i changed it to a choked gas expo, then to a min-only expo, im gonna fix-er-up now
Nightmarjoo
HOLY FUCKING SHIT CREVICE IS UNBUILDABLE? ZOMG THX I HAD NO FUCKING IDEA!
Nightmarjoo
Sloppy random layout imo, I usually don't, but drawing out maps before you make them is a good idea. Then consider the spacing, and distances and sizes and then each mu.
Deathman101
I have never drawn a map out...I just cant do it. They always turn out 20x as bad.
Deathman101
Updated:
-Made the main-tankable non-nat expo an island
-added gas to the new island expo
-gave reds choke more room
Nightmarjoo
Doesn't the fact that 1/3rd of the map is unused ring bells in your head that something might be wrong?

The mains are small and awkwardly shaped. Use an invert.

Use the rest of the map and redo everything past the main. Although redoing the main and nat wouldn't hurt.
LGI
So much unused space? Dude, open your mind. Why you are still making maps with no ideas about concept, etc, etc... Instead of spending 10 hours in making many unnessery maps, take a look in the BWMN DB.

Example:

"Hm... What to do now? A jungle map with natural buildings, spells or a standard and balance four players map with more dynamic gameplay? Maybe i should check all the 4 players jungle maps in BWMN and gather some ideas and put them into one, because my brain can't think of something new, and i am just losing my time in making chobo maps :P"
Deathman101
Who were you directing that at LGI?
Deathman101
BTW: I wont update till I know what I should do...I have two opposing ideas.
LGI
You don't have to update it... Just delete it.
Deathman101
Uhhh...why? wow now three opposing sides. Two from the same person.

So im guessing your with joel?
Nightmarjoo
hah since LGI said it not so nicely I can say it nicer now ;)
Basicly, you're at the point where you're starting to figure out the start of basics in mapping. Look at my map (4)Dune Sea, I think you're about where I was when I made that map. LGI was nice enough at the time to point me to the article database here, which I wasn't aware of. idk if you've read the articles, but I strongly suggest reading and rereading them, for the basics, they are a good start. Then, look through the forum for balance threads, or make a new balance thread or something so you can learn basic balance. Then open up one of your maps in sc and compare it ingame to a more accepted map, and see the differences. Then correct your mapping by taking a longer time to make your maps, including basic testing, which can be done with comps.
Deathman101
Im still training...I cant do that till im done training.

BTW: If I knew what chobo meant, I knew what that quote was, I had some preassumed guess that chobo meant standard.
Deathman101
and frankly...im losing interest again in melee.
flothefreak
if you only whine and dont do any effort to improve, you're wrong (and lost) in mapping, broodwar and real life anyway.
Deathman101
im different in RL...im just bored of BW.
ptar
It's great how many comments deathman's maps get, wich aren't about the map. This here is one of them.
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flothefreak
yeah because he is spamming maps, and as he obviously neither puts time in their making, nor their improvement, any time spent to comment is wasted time.
Deathman101
I dont know what to improve...
flothefreak
"So much unused space? Dude, open your mind. Why you are still making maps with no ideas about concept, etc, etc... Instead of spending 10 hours in making many unnessery maps, take a look in the BWMN DB.

Example:

"Hm... What to do now? A jungle map with natural buildings, spells or a standard and balance four players map with more dynamic gameplay? Maybe i should check all the 4 players jungle maps in BWMN and gather some ideas and put them into one, because my brain can't think of something new, and i am just losing my time in making chobo maps :P""

"if you only whine and dont do any effort to improve, you're wrong (and lost) in mapping"

improving is ALWAYS up to YOU, not to us. it's YOU who needs to put effort in it and work on yourself, not us.
Deathman101
Yea im improving at actual SC now and have learned I am way more effective with terran, hopefully I will see whats wrong w/ my maps.
Deathman101
I also learned today that (2)Challenger is very P favoring...

JW: How do u counter carriers when ur terran? This guy had like 20 of them
Moebius
Not letting him get them in the first place.
flothefreak
seriously deathman: if you have this little knowledge of broodwar (like, basic strategy, counterunits, etc) you shouldnt even think of mapping. you need to know the basics and balance of each matchup to create maps. judging from your posts, you are miles away from the point you can start mapping with.
Deathman101
lol I think I worked on defence too much :(.

Lancet
You could make this a 96x96 map with all the space you are leaving out, but interesting concept (maybe good for air wars). The proximity of the expos to the main may encourage turtling.
Deathman101
The map kinda turned out to have expos close...
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