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Last update for (2)Muck : 2007, 09, 11 00:41
mapIDMapname (comments)map sizeAuthorRatingTypeplay type
2432 (2)Muck 128*96LML (Pimped by Starparty)1.3final

The map has been rated 30 times and got a total of 38 points
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LML
ok, this map isnt best, the mapname says it ;)

tell me, what I could improve, and whats ok, etc.
thx.
spinesheath
I'm kinda irritated by all these maps without startiung locations... Which are the mains? I suppose they are NW and SE, but is there a backdoor or is it a Forte-style map?
RaDiX
this map isnt best, the mapname says it ;)

Nothing to add, except that this isn't good map at all.
LML
yeah, sry that I didn add the startpoints, I forgot it, lol.
they startlocations r in the big thing, the other is backdoor expo.
spinesheath
Well... then.
The concept is...

Did you have a concept for this, actually?
LML
I never have a concept. That I aleady wrote at "Crumbled", in a commnet...
RaDiX
make a concept if you want your map to be liked omg...
BestTarsier
I don't know what you people are on this map looks fun.

It's obviously not finished, the doodads aren't on and there are no start locations but I think it looks like it will be a good map when it's done.
LML
are u serious?!xD
Starparty
I love this concept to be honest. I could pimp this.
LML
ok, do it:)

that would be rly great.
spinesheath
Somehow I doubt this is the real SP...
ptar
Me too, but sometimes he's logged in, so maybe he returned ^^;
LML
maybe he is it!;)
and we wants to pimp this map:D
so, let him do it, and u guys will see, if it's him ;)
ProTosS4EveR
Nono it is the real. ^^
RaDiX
I think the "nice concept" in this map is this: Open SCMdraft (with mirror tool ofc). Do something, hope ppl will like it.
LML
not at all...
not only: "do something". It's a lil bit more, not much, bit a lil bit ;)
LML
chakalaka!
LML
BUUM!
Nightmarjoo
You can't just place stuff and hope it works. What's your plan with the map? Do you have ideas about how the map will play? Frankly as zerg I'm going to just 4pool and hope for the best. No way to hatch first with such distances. If you 9hatched in main in front of the choke, t/p could probably be in your base with units before your hatch finished to place a single sunk, so you have to go pool first to live, so might as well take advantage of the distance with a 4pool.
spinesheath
Heh, Nightmarjoo, I remember you being the one who was mapping without planning a lot in advance...
LML
hm, Nightmarjoo, but most ppl dont play for cheese.
They dont even play for win, but more for practise, so this would be played normal, in most of the games, I could say same at all 2player maps, I go out, make some outgate somewhere, and win, because you made hatch 1st-.-
Nightmarjoo
Except most (2)maps don't have such short distances. And I just explained why I feel "playing for practice" doesn't work if zerg is practicing 12hatch lol.

Spines, I did just make up the map as I went along, but I considered how the map would play still TT
LML
oh, but that doesnt mean, P trains 2 out gates ....
starparty
Adjust to the strategy of the map. If you want to rush battlecruisers versus a Zerg, then dont blame your loss on the map.
LML
Lol!:DXDD
starparty
i have a pimped fundament of this map, but if anyone of those on my msn list could make the ramps for me i would be happy. I dont got the tools or the patience atm.
LML
when you use scmdraft2, just copy/paste, I do same;)
Nightmarjoo
"oh, but that doesnt mean, P trains 2 out gates ...." why wouldn't they lol.
LML
yeah, but I dont think, evry will train it ;))
starparty

modified by starparty
starparty
*** Muck Has been pimped ***
modified by starparty
ptar
Good job!!
Btw... You have to change the name now :)
modified by ptar
LML
Wow, this looks rly, rly great.
gj man!
spinesheath
bring back the pimp my map competition :p
Starparty
ill see about that.. i actually enjoyed doing this one though
spinesheath
You did really well, too. I especially like how you did those bridges :)
Testbug
starparty is back? really? os was having some fun... :D
RaDiX
LML, this is how you should, and you could make maps...
Grief_Stricken
have no idea how this map looks before the"starpimp" process, but now it looks quite proper and tidy. but for my taste a little too much resouces so close to the mains. as gift, quasi. i mean players no need to do much to own them, right?

i like what u did with the bridges, but this chokes are still looking crap. never mind! this isnt your fault, there is no way to do them better. but i think before someone start to plan a new map, maybe he should think about how he can avoid such hidious structures.

maybe u should change the position of the resouces on NE & SV(>gmcs). it would be very hard in a game to defend this expos for a z or p; and very easy for t to destroy them.
LML
Old version:

Pimped version:

modified by Nightmarjoo
Testbug
this map looks very terran :(
i would redo the islands.
what about normal expos? or normal islands? i don't get the point :S
Starparty
i wanted to make some kind of fast secret expansion possible. If it was an island it wouldt be fast, and if it was a normal expo, it wouldnt be secret. Now you can actually mine through the wall (8 mins) and hide in the corner.

As for the expo layout, i knw. I would perhaps want 3nat gas expo at 6 and 12 instead thus moving the ramps a bit, but i only pimped the map :p

i also put ramps and cliff on the 1nat in base and 3nat combined to make these important strategic points. They can also serve as secret proxy spots if you like that game

Grief_stricken, what chokes?
modified by Starparty
ProTosS4EveR
StarParty, you should add your pink thing to the picture, it's sooo gosuuuu!! xDD
modified by ProTosS4EveR
LML
loool:D

ya, in some place, where it doesnt take the vision on the terrain;o
starparty
i dont think i still have the pic anymore.
Testbug
here you have

modified by Testbug
ProTosS4EveR
OMG SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Xddddddddddd
starparty
word.
starparty
isnt the pic a bit small though?
LML
you are to big for that xDD
spinesheath
By "chokes", Grief means "ramps", I guess. And have you ever seen Woodenfire terrain? You CAN make nice ramps, but those are not always suitable for melee play.
ProTosS4EveR
woodenfire?
LML
wtf is woodenfire?
a map?! ;O
spinesheath
An UMS mapper, famous for his extended Jungle terrain. A little overly self-confident and imo an idiot. Nevertheless he has a great hand for blends and probably lots of spare time.
starparty
i think its important that a ramp somewhat looks like a standard ramp (all terrain in general tbh) so players dont have to dedicate too much though to what they are playing on instead what they are playing against. Im not that much a fan of entirelly customized terrain unless it is totally excluded from game play.
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