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Forum - feedback
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| The feedback forum is a little bare, let's get some feedback here. This question is for mappers relatively new to the site. What is bwm like for you? Are there any complaints you have? Anything you wish was better? Any questions on how the site works at all? Are the mappers here nice or mean to you? How can the older mappers here help you? This question is for the older mappers of the site. How does bwm compare now to in previous times? What do you think of the newer mappers? What do you think about current mapping themes/concepts/styles etc? Anything about the site you think should be different? This is for mappers who are or have been active in or have visited any other mapping site. How does bwm compare? What is nicer about the other websites? What is nicer about bwm? There have been members coming and leaving lately. Some would say the environment at bwm is driving people to leave. What do you guys think? Could bwm be better? Is bwm pretty much just like any other big sc site with a forum? Is it better/worse? How could the environment be improved if it not as great or as friendly as it could be? Would you like more mapping competitions? More bwm tournies? In what ways could we spread bwm, get people to play our maps, bring in more mappers, or bring in players to comment our maps? What do you think about MOTW? There were talks about MOTM or MOT Two Weeks, what do you think about that? Would you like more articles written? If so, what about? There have been talks about the admins not doing their jobs right. Ignoring the fact that not every admin has the time every day to spend helping bwm, how can the admins improve the site? What do you need in an admin? What are the admins doing wrong? Do we need more admins? C'mon guys let's get some feedback :) | ||
| 2007, 02, 04 08:35 | ||
| Some of my own feedback, I think that MOTW > MOTM ez. Sometimes the MOTWs are month-long anyway because there's no testing being done. Making it MOTM isn't going to encourage testing =/ Also, MOTM delays the maps that people visiting Gosugamers will see, and quite a few have shown interest in the MOTWs through comments. I've met people on bwm who play bwm maps, sometimes they play a map I've never seen before from bwm lol. Map of the Two Weeks isn't a bad idea, 1 week for map submition 1 week for testing/arguing. This gives people who can only spend a little time on bwm a week time to both upload maps and get to see what others have uploaded and comment them. As for what I would like to see in bwm, I wish more people tested maps and uploaded reps. If you look in our rep database, most of them are not gosu at all. A rep doesn't have to be pro to show certain aspects of the map. I'd also like to see more commenting. Often I see people on the online members list on, and after they leave there're no comments by them >< Try and say atleast a little about the maps submitted. Maybe bwm can have a friendlier environment if more people spoke up and actually talked to eachother. Most of you are in clans right? How about spreading bwmism to them? I know some of you test maps with your clanmates, or show them your maps. How about getting them to comment our maps? Getting them to play a few games on the maps? For the sake of newer mappers I wish people would try and explain their reasoning, the comments I do see are usually there, but short/brief/vague. How about explaining why you think that. For example, mapper1 can say mapper2's map is terrible for tvp. Mapper1 isn't an experienced mapper and really doesn't understand. Mapper2 calls him noob and mapper1 doesn't learn anything and continues making shit tvp maps. Mapper2 should explain to mapper1 to the best of his/her ability why the map is bad tvp, that way mapper1 learns something, can fix that map, can make maps in the future without that issue, and when mapper3 joins the site mapper1 can explain to mapper3 the issue when he has it in his maps, and mapper2 doesn't have to whine like a bitch when mapper3 has the issue. Help the newbs of the site, it helps a lot more than hurting them. For example, after World War I France placed heavy reparation fines on Germany which caused Germany to be very bitter; 20 years later Germany invades France ez. Subsequent to World War II The United States helped to rebuild all of (western)Europe, resulting in no wars in (western)Europe, a stronger economy which helped all of Europe and the United States, and a strong military pact by which NATO could fight the Soviet Union with. Helping others benefits everyone :) | ||
| 2007, 02, 04 08:50 | ||
| oh yeah, i always associate both world wars with bwmn. :P About the MOTW System: Yeah well, a very difficult chapter, i will try to give some (good or bad - i dont know) suggestions here: - MOTF / Map of the Fortnight (or however to say it in english^^): As you already said, increase the map submission deadline to one week and then one week testing (testing is another problem here)/voting - Refinement of the MOTF (no bad jokes like "Map of the F*ck" plz :p) System: 2 phases: * First - Make only a map proposal competition, in which everyone can add maps he likes * Second - The maps in the map proposal competition will be evaluated/theorycrafted by the community, the best ~3 maps will be added to a MOTW testing/voting system. Practical testing (thats the kind of testing where you play with your hands instead with your brains) of those selected maps should provide the community with a more detailed view about the map. - Refinement of the Refinement of the MOTF In the second phase, instead of straight voting, a tourney-based voting could be used (e.g.: Map1 vs Map3 and Map2 vs Map4). So there will be, i think, better differentiation of the maps. But still, the question remains: how do we get the mappers to play the maps? By tournies? Or by meetings? The problem is, that the bwmn community is too small for tournies of any kind and another (minor) factor is the time difference :/ In my opinion, the main problem is, that the users here are not encouraged enough to test map. So there should be some system that encourages bwmn users to upload replays/comment maps/etc. How? I dont know, but maybe we can find some solutions for this :) | ||
| 2007, 02, 04 18:16 | ||
| The old voting system is nice because mappers get 3 choices. Perhaps we can have it you get 3 choices 1 point per vote instead of 3 2 1, or however you want it. I don't want to make useless the nice voting system pancschk has made though =/ Map of the Fuck sounds like a good idea. | ||
| 2007, 02, 04 21:15 | ||
| c'mon people, everytime I look at the forum thing it's Nightmarjoo Nightmarjoo Nightmarjoo Nightmarjoo, and although the narcisist in me loves that, I'd like to see other people posting too -_- | ||
| 2007, 02, 06 07:36 | ||
| Feedback: Kill all BMers!! :) jk.. But honestly, I think we are doing a good job at the MOTW etc systems. Its the fact that we arent getting enuff active members putting input towards maps that are nominated for a title. And that also means map testing. We are in the step of the right direction. | ||
| 2007, 02, 06 17:19 | ||
| Well honestly we don't have that much bm going on; there are arguments and fights every now and then but really no bm at all. But yeah we need more participation, I think we need to enlist help from tl.neters and gosugamers.neters =/ | ||
| 2007, 02, 06 17:52 | ||
| you(admins)are not encouraging people to take their part on this site.firstly learn to respect the opinion of other guys,even if it's different than your own.also many older members are very hostile against anyone who try to argue against them.also against people that indicate drawbacks on the site.i point on lao-artanis and inept. after nightmarjoo manipulate moty,lao-artanis defend such behaviour.just because nightmarjoo commenting alot,he has the right to ignore a plenty of votes.inept on the other hand tell people,in the case they don't like such"current state",they should leave the site.also no one should talk to people who think in a different way like him(racism of the finest sort).he requires from others to argue about their votes,but himself don't do it. some words about the contests here.the true name of the winner map should be"the winner of the contest motw,moty or whatever".this means a winner map is not necessarily the best map of that weak or of a year,it's the map that won this contest.of course just in the case the votes are respected and no one manipulating that contest.in my opinion motw is always more meaningful than moty.cause it much easy to find the best pieces maded in a weak,compared to discover and bring on a list the best maps maded in one year. ok,some can say you can add in such a list(for moty)the most motw.surely a good argue.but it's still not good enough for me.many good maps are not taking part to motw and are so,unjustified,forgotten.example,galaxy prime.the map wasnt motw and still beat many of them(in the moty contest),also the map become the second most votes in the same contest.and surely some more if anyone use to playin fair. | ||
| 2007, 02, 08 17:44 | ||
| Hmm, the main point in your statement I'd have to disagree with is the first thing you say, you say admins don't encourage people to take their part in the site? Isn't this what I, as an admin, am doing in this feedback thread? If I'm asking for all input by everyone that is encouraging people :) It's not my fault if no one actually does say something. As for manipulating moty, I am against Nazca being the winner but am not disputing it, how is that manipulation? My removing Galaxy Prime for the time period had no effect on the vote, Nazca was always winning the vote. As for (2)moty, I am making my views clear because few others are doing so, and I'm asking bwm what they want. As for the rest of it, thanks for saying something. I really do want input and feedback from everyone here. Oh and I think it's silly that you scold Artanis for defending me and then attack me for not valueing view points. I'm certainly happy someone has my back, that's his opinion not me, I'm not manipulating him lol. Also, he wasn't backing me for "manipulating moty", he just told the people demanding my stepping down from admin for saying Fuck LGI, which is still rather silly -.- "ZOMG HE SAID A BAD WORD" | ||
| 2007, 02, 08 21:54 | ||
| A note: I havn't read any of the previous replies. The feedback forum is a little bare, let's get some feedback here. This question is for mappers relatively new to the site. What is bwm like for you? ~It's okay. Are there any complaints you have? ~Less than self concious members. Anything you wish was better? ~Some BBCode would be nice. I wish people would show more concern for maps people have worked hard on to get comments, rather than 10 minute, or worse, really old maps getting heaps of attention. Any questions on how the site works at all? ~Is administration just a bunch of guys the site owner kind of trusts? Are the mappers here nice or mean to you? ~They're only nice when they agree with you. Otherwise some decide to take shots at a personal life they know nothing about, and have no business to dicuss. How can the older mappers here help you? ~To my knowledge the older mappers who I considered gosu have left, or are really inactive, or just don't bother to comment on other people's maps. People like StarParty, LGI, and trcc fit this desciption. This question is for the older mappers of the site. How does bwm compare now to in previous times? ~I wasn't terribly active, but the maps have gotten a lot prettier. At least in the jpegs =/ What do you think of the newer mappers? ~Some are really good, some are just annoying. What do you think about current mapping themes/concepts/styles etc? ~None of them are very impressive or really make me think they'll change the standard style of play. Although a few are very cool, the vast majority are boring. I want to see concepts like Sin Gaema Gowon again. Anything about the site you think should be different? ~Options like colour (only ones that contrast well with the background) and BBCode like quotations. Raised awareness of posting etique. This is for mappers who are or have been active in or have visited any other mapping site. How does bwm compare? ~Best mappers available, great uploading system, fewest jerks (I havn't yet seen someone put up a false image [like shock], excluding Nightmarjoo). However, worst forum design (except that it has the coolest background). What is nicer about the other websites? ~Forums What is nicer about bwm? ~Database, and organization of the database. There have been members coming and leaving lately. Some would say the environment at bwm is driving people to leave. What do you guys think? ~True. People are letting pride get in the way of progress. Could bwm be better? ~Easily. Is bwm pretty much just like any other big sc site with a forum? ~No. The uploading system, the speed, and the reliability of this site far surpasses any other site I've been to. Whoever is doing the coding behind the scenes here really knows his shit. I also like that there's no fucking swear filters. Is it better/worse? ~Overall it's better, but some parts of it are worse. How could the environment be improved if it not as great or as friendly as it could be? ~SENSITIVITY TRAINING :D We also need to have like a map night or two a week where we can all just get together and have fun. I'd like the enviroment to be more supportive and fun driven than whatever the heck it is right now. Would you like more mapping competitions? ~Only if they're interesting; and if the competition organizer believes it will get activity. More bwm tournies? ~No. I would rather showmatches (between reletively even skilled players) than tournies. The whole idea of a tourney just seems like a lot of fuss over no benefit to me. In what ways could we spread bwm, get people to play our maps, bring in more mappers, or bring in players to comment our maps? ~Encourage TL.netters, gg.netters, and basically the whole community to vote on our maps. I guarentee 200% increase in activity =P What do you think about MOTW? ~It's fine. I think it'd hold more prestige with a larger number of voters though. There were talks about MOTM or MOT Two Weeks, what do you think about that? ~Only if it's based on the last winners of the shorter term competitions. Sort of like a best of the best thing. Otherwise no, that's just dumb. Would you like more articles written? ~Sure =/ If so, what about? ~Anything the writer excells in. There have been talks about the admins not doing their jobs right. Ignoring the fact that not every admin has the time every day to spend helping bwm, how can the admins improve the site? ~By being exemplary members of the community =P What do you need in an admin? ~Biggggg breastesests. Awareness of self ability, and modesty. What are the admins doing wrong? ~Not being modest. Do we need more admins? ~More than anyone who asks? C'mon guys let's get some feedback :) ~And then call eachother names for having opinions! | ||
| 2007, 02, 12 03:10 | ||
| "I wish people would show more concern for maps people have worked hard on to get comments, rather than 10 minute, or worse, really old maps getting heaps of attention" yeah so doesn't everyone, it's hard to change others =/ "Is administration just a bunch of guys the site owner kind of trusts?" I doubt panschk trusts us, the admin team just includes long term members of bwm; note that most admins are not active, including the big cheese himself panschk. "They're only nice when they agree with you. Otherwise some decide to take shots at a personal life they know nothing about, and have no business to dicuss" lol that's just lnept and scout, most mappers here aren't inclined to be bm =/ "Options like colour" wtf? you can't use this colour system? "(I havn't yet seen someone put up a false image [like shock], excluding Nightmarjoo)" You really don't like me do you? "However, worst forum design" Doesn't matter, no one uses the forum anyway, it works perfectly for shit like this -_- "Could bwm be better? ~Easily." suggestions? "Whoever is doing the coding behind the scenes here really knows his !@#$. I also like that there's no @#$%ing !@#$% filters" "We also need to have like a map night or two a week where we can all just get together and have fun. I'd like the enviroment to be more supportive and fun driven than whatever the heck it is right now" The bwm tournies were a horrible failure, and when we said ok everyone just show up for general testing no one came, and when individuals say hey I can play this day come to this server I'm on this name, nothing happens. It's hard for people to be supportive when they show up for 5 seconds look at the newest map, rate it 0 and leave. "Only if it's based on the last winners of the shorter term competitions. Sort of like a best of the best thing. Otherwise no, that's just dumb" Ellaborate please, I don't understand at all. "It's fine. I think it'd hold more prestige with a larger number of voters though" Thanks captain obvious. "Not being modest" What do you mean? The only active admins nowadays are myself and Nasty, Nasty doesn't say anything mean except about LGI, and I don't see where either of us are immodest; Nasty pushes his maps all the time but so what, half of bwm does that, and it's not interfering with his administrating =/ "And then call eachother names for having opinions!" That's just spoilrg and Grief modified by Nightmarjoo | ||
| 2007, 02, 12 04:31 | ||
| ""Only if it's based on the last winners of the shorter term competitions. Sort of like a best of the best thing. Otherwise no, that's just dumb" Ellaborate please, I don't understand at all." MOTW 1-4 = contestants for MOTM "Thanks captain obvious." Apparently not that obvious, since plenty of people here have called me an idiot for suggesting getting the rest of the community involved in our votes. "What do you mean?" I mean not acting like you're a supreme authority on balance, and making it notable that everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt =/ [color=red]wtf? you can't use this colour system?[/color]? | ||
| 2007, 02, 12 16:28 | ||
| "Apparently not that obvious, since plenty of people here have called me an idiot for suggesting getting the rest of the community involved in our votes" they're dumb "I mean not acting like you're a supreme authority on balance, and making it notable that everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt =/" lol? Compared to gosugamers and teamliquid bwm admins are really layed back. Bwm admins hardly act like authorities on balance =/ BWM mappers are all old members of the site and are therefore experienced, that's it. There really aren't many executive decisions made by admins, and if any are, that's the job of the admin. "MOTW 1-4 = contestants for MOTM" MOTM would replace MOTW. MOTF would also replace MOTW. This is what we're asking about, should motw be replaced. "[color=red]wtf? you can't use this colour system?[/color]?" lol noob, learn html < font color="xx(r)xx(g)xx(b) > stuff < /font > without spaces -.- | ||
| 2007, 02, 12 22:14 | ||
| That is far too much | ||
| 2007, 02, 12 22:23 | ||
| 1 2 3 4 is the difference though =/ | ||
| 2007, 02, 12 23:55 | ||
| I think this is the best mapping site on the net! Just a few thoughts: If you have connections to other bw sites (I noticed gosugamers posts your motw) you maybe could have a map voting there. You could choose like 3 contestant maps here and then let all the community at gosugamers vote for motw (motm whatsoever). I think if the players would get involved in the process they would get more interrestd in actually playing the maps they voted for. Also it would be more exciting for the mapmakers having there works judged by more people. Although broodwarmaps is a great site i think its mostly visited by people who make maps themselves. You should reach the rest of the community somehow. | ||
| 2007, 02, 14 15:07 | ||
| I'll run that by my superiors at gg.net | ||
| 2007, 02, 15 03:06 | ||
| nice post :) | ||
| 2007, 02, 15 14:47 | ||
| S'what I've been trying to tell you this whole time -.- | ||
| 2007, 02, 16 02:14 | ||
| nasty doesn't like you :O lol jk, idk for sure, you should ask him^^ | ||
| 2007, 02, 16 03:33 | ||
| I mentioned it awhile back. During my trip to italy, I just didnt follow thru with the discussion. | ||
| 2007, 02, 16 04:06 | ||
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