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Last update for (4)Blood Bath SlowVesp : 2007, 09, 22 19:55
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2488 (4)Blood Bath SlowVesp 64*64the dentist2.8final

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the dentist
Balanced minerals, neutral assimilators (depleted) and neutral heros to MC.
flothefreak
MC with what tech? -.-
the dentist
if you get 2-3 geysers going you can use tech pretty decently actually. it's strange.
flothefreak
3 depleted = 1,5 normal. you can HARDLY afford mc tech in normal games with FE, much economy and 2 full gases because it takes so much money and time your enemy will use against you. here, you dont even have 2 full gas, but need 9workers to get 1,5x normal gas income -.-

and sacrificing 9 probes on gas to get MC tech somewhere in the very far far future will just kill you on this map :o
Nightmarjoo
More gas makes the tightness of the map matter more. That is, if it's used.
lnept
um well the bloodbath original was fine how it was in terms of tank laming, they could just get your 3 mineral patches. Now they can hit with tanks your crucial geysirs while turtling on a map with no tech.
the dentist
flo: (1) 3 geysers = 3/4th of normal. (2) you can start on your way to tech before that, too. getting two dt's is no big deal. so you pay 200/200 to get, say, a high-hp arbiter with all three spells already researched, and full energy. is that worth it to you? yes you need more workers, but this effects everyone. you act like a protoss will be playing against someone who has a normal geyser.

nightmarjoo: there is not more gas.

inept: tanks cost gas too.
Nightmarjoo
Ok, I see now. You have three neutral assimilators. You have to destroy them to get a depleted geyser. If you use just 9 miners on gas, you'll get 6 gas in the time you'd normally get 8 from 3. Zerg no longer can do any speedling strategies. Or use any gas really. Zerg relies on fewer numbers of drones. It doesn't hurt too badly to put 3 workers on gas to mine to 104 and then go back to mining minerals. Now you have to mine to 100 by intervals of 2. That's a much longer period of time where 3 fewer miners are getting gas. I think you just killed zerg. The first tank terran gets is all he needs, since gas is slower for everyone. Now the gas becomes so much more crucial. Dentist, no way will p get mind control. Just way too much gas. Also, it's imbalanced to have a different hero at every base. The kerrigan one is really imbalanced, or would be, if the game would ever involve getting mind control. Minerals and no gas = massive turtling, enjoy your turtle fest on blood bath, lol. Also, it's blood bath. You don't have that many minerals to work with anyway. It's usually too expensive to take an inbase expo anyway on the map. Now, using 400 minerals allows you to take 3 workers off to mine a depleted geyser, with no mineral intake. lol =/

Oh and, GAS ISSUE
the dentist
all three races have their strategies effected, nightmarjoo. zerg are actually still quite strong in a low-vespene situation. you should try playing the game instead of thinking you will know how it goes. if terran simply try to tech (which does not cost 100 gas by the way, but 250, for the first tank, as you need a machine shop and factory) the opponent can expand. also zerg will have multiple geysers faster than other races, and more efficiently (hatcheries).

if you think there's no way a P will get mind control, again, you are wrong. citadel, archives, two dt's, MC. i already have played this map when there was only ONE of these assimilators per base, and that game alone already disproved everything you're talking about.

if you think no P will ever get MC, then there is no imbalance for having different heros in each base is there? also, it would only be imbalanced for PVP.

you think kerrigan is the imbalanced one, too? the arbiter would be much more lethal. you get a high-hp arbiter for 200/200, no need for a tribunal, a starport, the build time of those or the arbiter, the research time for stasis or recall, and oh yeah, he's full energy.

if someone massively turtles, the other person can expand, or use the gas in their base more quickly at least. so yeah defense will be different but it won't win the game. again if you just sit in your base the opponent will have not just 3x your gas, but most likely 2x the minerals and 6x your gas. so fighting with mineral only and low gas will happen. try playing instead of theory crafting. because almost everything you said is completely wrong. zerg aren't killed (they are the strongest on this map). turtling won't be the issue (fighting for an expansion will be). toss will get MC out (despite your certainty to the opposite).

and gas issue? #1 ALL OF THE BASES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO EQUAL ACCORDING TO GAS ISSUE. THEY ARE ALL BELOW AND RIGHT, WHICH ARE KNOWN TO BE PRETTY SIMILAR. #2 BEING ABLE TO SET UP YOUR BASE ON BB IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN 1 WORKER GIVING YOU A SMALL AMOUNT OF GAS IF YOU PUT 1 LESS WORKER ON IT, NOT TO MENTION THAT _THAT_ DIFFERENCE WILL BE 1/4TH OF WHAT IT IS ON OTHER MAPS (DEPLETED), #3 NOT TO MENTION THE TIME YOU WILL GET GAS WILL BE LATER IN THE GAME AND YOU WIL HAVE MORE WORKERS SO THE DIFFERENCE OF PUTTING 1 MORE ON MINERALS WILL BE _SMALLER_ BECAUSE THE 1 WORKER IS AN EVEN LOWER % OF YOUR WORKERS.

of course you'll probably delete this too, as you do with everyone who points out when you have been wrong.
SpoR
terrible.
Starparty
FOR GODS SAKE, WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT ABOUT ALL THESE STUPID BLOOD BATH CLONES. NOW IM REALLY PISSED OFF.

Edit:

I should fucking delete this just because you lack imagination of making a map of your own. Noone will EVER play this, dont you get it??? And if your answer is something like "yes me and my friends love this map", then go play it with your fucking friends, and spare us the agony of seing another one of these horrible shit clones.
modified by Starparty
flothefreak
oh my god i am scared :/
i have never seen starparty this angry 8[
dentist, this alone is the proof you did something terribly wrong.
Moebius
He opened Staredit.
Nightmarjoo
lol Dentist, why would I censor a comment that makes you look like the total retard you are?
What you said is highly moronic and just untrue, lol.
You just obviously don't understand how sc works, so I'm not going to waste my breath telling you how stupid you are and how almost everything you said is incorrect on some level.
Moebius
"Kerrigan"


o.O
SpoR
Man, I hope you guys don't flame me when I finish and submit my raised/reversed BB.
Moebius
Well...I accept bribes. :D
starparty
spor, if possible i will delete your account then.
Nightmarjoo
Reverse BB? Hahahaha

Starparty, I'm pretty sure he's kidding^^
flothefreak
i will do rotated bb then!
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