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Last update for (2)Frozen Battlefield : 2013, 04, 22 23:43
mapIDMapname (comments)map sizeAuthorRatingTypeplay type
2335 (2)Frozen Battlefield 128*96ptar0.9beta

The map has been rated 34 times and got a total of 32 points
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ptar
Nightmarjoo's cometition was perfect. I only make 128x96 maps and i wanted to try out the ice Tileset. This map got the standart "ptar" layout.^^ Main-Natural-minonly-expansions in the corners. The natural is tankable, but i left a little hole in the Outpost so units like zealots and marines can get trough. I will add bridges later on and some doodads too. I only wanted to hear your suggestions, ideas first.
modified by ptar
RaDiX
It's "ok". Stupid comment yes I know. Nothing revolutionary, should play solid. Add some ursadons plz ;D.
ptar
That was the most helpful coment i've ever read ^^. But as long as you don't say It's crap, it's a nice one. What do you mean with ursadons? Don't get the point :/
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Deathman101
Ursadon=The Ice bear thing.

Ice is the best tileset ever! It works for everything except island maps...
Crackling
i like it very much but its a bit "normal" for me :p

what about moving the 12h expo more to the main, connect it, but with closed mineral formation, so u can get this expo without gas from inside your main, but u cant go out there, only after minerals are mined, or u can use some funky workerhopps and cheesy strats to push units through those minerals :)

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ptar
I'm making only normal maps, not like you with Iron Flush. I think those experimental parts of an map are the reasons, why maps become unplayable. Don't want to put my hands on sth like this. I love this standart lil bit "oldschool" gameplay. There are enough maps, wich got so crazy things, but thx for your godly drawing ^^ and the time you invested in this.
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Crackling
:o
Testbug
ice is the worst tile set crackling. no wide ramps posible :(

what's wrong with iron flush? i just copied some "Flush" ideas by crackling but it's 75% diferent.
ptar
No, i meant Iron Flush got some very experimental things in it, not like this map.^^
Nightmarjoo
You missed some bridges I think :)
Nat pathing.
I don't like how the map's gas is almost all in two corners easily guarded thanks to the choke styles.
Watch out for straight lines.
Otherwise, pretty solid aside from being so linear.
ptar
What do you mean with linear and nat pathing? I metioned the bridges in the first post. Will edit the map tomorrow. Btw.. I think this map will look much mure natural and not so linear when the bridges are placed.
PS: Lol @ Cracklings GMCS.
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Nightmarjoo
Nah there are plenty of straight edges in the map. Nat pathing will go through the nat itself, the building for the expo is in the middle of the path, creating even paths, and there's no guarantee units will take just the open side and not the side with the workers.
Testbug
u checked my GMCs?
ptar
Yeah, i did. Can't edit this map, cuz i'm on vaication.
Nightmarjoo
lol, didn't bring your sc disk? wtf ptar.
flothefreak
very sweet map, i like it!
basic, but neat. it needs some tweaks in deco (esp. center, though.
i love your semi-cliff behind the naturals. THE place for hidden cannons PvZ :D

nice work. will play standard but smoooooooooth as hell.

/edit
only the bridges are manmade and not really natural (i avoided them on purpose on snow shock)...but toss the contest, this map is sweeeeeeeet with bridges!
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Nightmarjoo
wait, will you be back before the deadline? If not, I can assure you this won't win in its current form. The needs some modification.

Since you won't have much time, if any before the deadline, I'll stop beating around the bush and just tell you my suggestions.
1. Nat pathing needs altered, I'll gmc one suggestion, but I suggest you do a bit more than that.
2. The corners are too t favouring imo. The pathing from main2main is virtually just a line, pushing already is pretty easy, there aren't alternate paths or special flank positions. I don't think there's any balance of tight/open. I think the map has Pale Horse's issues, the original version atleast =/
Eh I can't think of other suggestions, but the gameplay is similar to that of Pale Horse 1 I think, and that's not good :( Basicly map is linear and macrotastic I think. I'd tell you how to fix this, but if I knew how to fix this my Pale Horse would be fixed by now lol.
flothefreak
you have a fairly open battlefield and an open second expo, natural has only 6 minblocks. i dont think terran is overpowering here, as the 2nd expo seems quite hard to get and keep
ptar
Hey, i'm back. Will edit this map asap. I can't see your GMCS Joel :/ Should i remove the highground behind the bridges? Will remove all those linear things Testbug pointed out. Thx for your ideas.
flothefreak
just make sure also larger troops walk smoothly out of the main, passing the natural without getting disturbed by workers mining. also take a pylon or a cannon/sunk into account placed next to the HQ-building
ptar
K tested it and there is no natural pathing at all. But i've found a path were units can walk through. Will add the bridges now.
flothefreak
no natural pathing? so, there is only genetically engineered, mutated, artificial and weird pathing? :D
ptar
Upadted:
-Added the two bridges
-Removed those linear things
-added some doodads, but i will place some more

@ flo: No the pathing is fine. I put three bunkers there and walked with 3 groups of units through the natural and it was fine. They moved in a straight line. I can upload the rep.
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ProTosS4EveR
I don't like outposts on the mains, you can move units close to the water in the bottom and you can't in the top =/
Nightmarjoo
lol sorry I forgot to mark my gmc. I added them, look at SE nat :)
Deathman101
erm...ptar maybe clearing GMCS after next update would be a good idea.
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