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04/16/2024

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NastyMarine Competition

deadline to enter maps: 2006, 07, 14 (Year, month, day)

In the 'Map Discussion' forums at pgtour.net, there was a discussion about an interest in changing some standard needs in the maps today (such needs as a standard choke at mains etc.). Some were wondering how would smaller maps play in competitive games or how wider chokes would effect gameplay etc. Though it is argueable that it causes imbalance early in some match-ups, I feel that we can try to use these ideas and see how well we can figure out how to make them playable.

There arent strict requirements in this competition other than it must have a semi-off the wall idea in it, such as a wide choke or a smaller than normal map, or small main, etc..

In other words, something that is usually considered imba. :)

64x64 really isnt the greatest choice for this competition but it will be accepted. Maps with the dimensions 128x192 are fine but over that size will not be accepted.

only 2 maps accepted for each mapper

GL HF

-NastyMarine

Name	Author	Download	vote(1., 2., 3. choice)
(2)Path of Victory	LaO-Artanis	Melee Obs Picture	0
(4)Speed-Dial	lnept	Melee Picture	0
(4)Tsimba	GRC-DeathLink	Melee Picture	0
(4)Mhor-Gyar	Antares	Melee Obs Picture	0
(2)Palace of Mists v1.2	NoPantsRepublic	Melee Obs Picture	0
(2)Parabola	GRC-DeathLink	Melee Obs Picture	0

The competition is closed!

Comments:

LaO-Artanis

PoV ftw!

lnept

ill submit one i already made, and im gonna make the most crazy imbalanced map just for this competition lol

NastyMarine

something to go by/inspiration:

Physician aka Entropy:
"There are ways to inovate with new features and still allow a good degree balance, it is just harder to do it, thats all. Often if you add something that creates favor for one race, you must add another feature that creates favor for the other too etc.. can get tricky in the end.

e.g "wide chokes in PvZ will be hell for P" < for "standard" maps maybe, i.e copies of the same format we see over and over, but it really all depends on:
-depends on size of map
-depends on how far the natural is and how open it lies
-depends on distance between both toss and zerg choke, i.e early rush is cost effective or not..
-depends on if the map has islands or not..

One can easily make a map that has wide chokes, and toss will always own in. The trick is to work at it to create balance and not to be blinded by dogma like "wide chokes in PvZ will be hell for P" Such as statement will not be always be true and valid in every scenario, good map makers know this.

It is in the game play and testing that you find out which advantage becomes critical, but this only happens after many replays of good players on the actually map. Almost no map maker ever gets lucky enough to create a master piece without ever editing their map. Good maps are battle tested, re-edited.. i.e forged!"

Physician

Not only smaller, why not larger maps too?

Is this true?
"the larger the map the more important macro becomes?"

If it has more resources it probably does, just like smaller maps micro is a little more important. Of course good gaming is about doing both right etc.. But what if it does not have more resources then what does it do?
Favors faster mobility like Zerg? Favors better scouting? Favors drops?

flow

macro sucks, even the current maps are too macro-focused. that is boring gameplay. large maps also mean large distances to travel if you want to deny an expo.

lnept

yea we dont need macro maps... we need micro maps!

epidiOn

Yep, even the Korean map makers are working to create a more micro oriented game.

lnept

yea that new map Blitz is wierd

unfortunately on all micro maps, ZvT is amazingly hard due to the lack of a million expos for them to expand to

Arden(WoF)

Nostalgia ftw!

NastyMarine

though i dont mind older maps, i must insist that I really would like to see newer maps added into the contest.

Arden(WoF)

I think I might actually make a map for this =D